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Coronavirus scares me.

What I’m scared of is not what the disease does to people. I’m scared of what it does to society.

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@bufordk Giving my best. I'm also keeping an eye on the two cases at the hospital where my wife works. Nothing interesting to report there, though. Unsurprisingly they are older people and one got infected on a trip to Italy. Nobody has died here.

@fabsh Because the argument is basically very similar: we are essentially forcing people to be vaccinated, taking away their freedom to choose which molecules to put or not to put into their bodies, and we do that for the good of the community, and that's OK. Now we're forcing people to stay at home, taking away their freedom to go where they please, and we do that for the good of the community, and somehow that is not OK. I'm a little confused: where, in your opinion, the limit for “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one” argument should be?

@evgenykuznetsov.org I don't know what you are talking about. You can't force people to be vaccinated in Germany. There was a push last year to pass a law like that which I was against, that's true. I'm not against vaccination, it's just very clear that this law would have clearly violated people's constitutional rights.

@evgenykuznetsov.org Also: Just because one measure is helpful and justified doesn't mean another one is. Additionally, just because its helpful and justified doesn't mean it has to be enacted by force of law.

@evgenykuznetsov.org As far as needs of the many outweight the needs of the few goes, that's a dumb argument. Which is clearly outlined by the article I linked. Not to mention that utilitarianism as a basis for law doesn't generally fly in Germany for obvious historical reasons. Which in my opinion is very good and should stay that way.

@fabsh Because the argument is basically very similar: we are essentially forcing people to be vaccinated, taking away their freedom to choose which molecules to put or not to put into their bodies, and we do that for the good of the community, and that’s OK. Now we’re forcing people to stay at home, taking away their freedom to go where they please, and we do that for the good of the community, and somehow that is not OK. I’m a little confused: where, in your opinion, the limit for “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one” argument should be?

@fabsh Well, I don’t really know about Germany, but in Russia and Ukraine (yeah, I know, not the exemplary states freedom-wise) non-vaccinated children are prohibited from going to state-funded schools etc, which is essentially enforcement (and perhaps violating the constitutional right for education, at least in Russia, but our government doesn’t seem to care). I do agree with your general sentiment, but these are very slippery matters we’re talking about here: should my constitutional right to live and preserve health be trumped by a virus-disseminating person’s right for freedom of movement, seeing as how they rode the same subway train I did?

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